@kamerlinlab @ntumanov_Xray @DrNeilStone Here’s the modeling. Kamerlin predicted 85.000 deaths by June 30 2020 if Sweden didn’t lock down. We didn’t and had 5.400 deaths 200630. https://t.co/5n99B5QCqv
@CricketSurfing @brian_t_muldoon @gorskon You suspect he's right because, again, you just make up whatever evidence-free nonsense you think suits your ideology, just like he does. https://t.co/e4c0tOmdRP https://t.co/muSYmmKsHR https://t.co/7Mjq9lX2nl ht
@felipejacknog @johanknorberg Norberg says: "evidence suggests that those people did not die because the health care system was overwhelmed" https://t.co/OcVeNoLlIi Because the evidence suggests they were shifted away. https://t.co/muSYmmKsHR https://t.c
@19joho @PaulRoundy1 @ShamezLadhani Remember what was said about ideologically-motivated COVID-19 minimizers and non-expert contrarians. Never rely on them when it comes to immunology, etc. They'll just find another way to reach their pre-determined concl
@PaulRoundy1 Remember when you were warned about epistemic trespassing, given your prior contrarianism on COVID-19? You should have listened. https://t.co/GFqXsiDg2G https://t.co/UVbFPibwzW https://t.co/eexet18pZC https://t.co/muSYmmKsHR https://t.co/Cw
@tnicholsmd @freyas_house She won't say. "[Sweden] Many elderly people were administered morphine instead of oxygen despite available supplies, effectively ending their lives." https://t.co/oMv7B3gTfb https://t.co/g1wgMchZwg https://t.co/AopENvXZVe http
@NoahBoddyJr @fletch360 @snorman1776 @RiderMaelstrom Sweden's health services? "Hospitals did not become as overwhelmed as those in northern Italy or New York City, but that was in part because many severely ill patients weren't hospitalized." https://t.c
RT @AtomsksSanakan: @ms_MariaB @kuiper_pieter @Michigan_Noah They're not going to honestly admit to the evidence on this; they've selected…
@kuiper_pieter @Michigan_Noah All your effort to evade a simple question: Are you saying Sweden did not engage in policies that the GBD defines as lockdowns + not as focused protection? https://t.co/CabCDi8ZqI https://t.co/v0FPvB1uPi https://t.co/A5Re7lx
@ms_MariaB @kuiper_pieter @Michigan_Noah They're not going to honestly admit to the evidence on this; they've selected their ideology over evidence. https://t.co/WEJXbT9Yzb https://t.co/UlJr1nfJwT https://t.co/v0FPvAJTqI https://t.co/A5Re7lOEaJ https://t
@Georgeberger @JonasHell1 @kuiper_pieter @Michigan_Noah They won't admit Sweden did a lock down, based on the GBD's definition of lockdown. And they're dodging published evidence. https://t.co/WEJXbTrzXL https://t.co/W2pEtGm9vm https://t.co/v0FPvB1uPi ht
"Hospitals weren't as busy....because not as many severely ill were hospitalised." What did they do with them in Sweden...
RT @AtomsksSanakan: @GidMK Related pointed have been noted before. "This suggests that patient prognosis was considered in ICU admission,…
@GidMK Related pointed have been noted before. "This suggests that patient prognosis was considered in ICU admission, reducing healthcare load at a cost of decreased survival in patients not admitted." https://t.co/eBoZ1BmC46 https://t.co/CwQzLkzecK http
@md_stat @HHjelte You non-expert ideologues really are predictable in the tricks you try. After pretending herd immunity was reached failed, you pretend not to understand acting early with NPIs. Oh well. Like I said, you can't be helped. https://t.co/Zx
@thedadpresents @TigerlillySusan Re: "Japan and U.P got well because of superior genetics" No, that's not what I said. I have a thread on what happened in east Asian countries. It has nothing do with genetics; they just acted early because of past experie
@DropletsAreFake @msabouri @jamesamcgee @_____Lightning @jeremyfaust Re: "What specific things are impossible that determine why South Korea's death rate is so different from Peru's?" No amount of evidence will ever get through to him, since he's trolling
@leavedavidalone @vicmackieqc @tomhcalver @thesundaytimes And this paper is interesting which sets out how high levels of 'self-isolation' & low-admittance to ICU's stopped Swedish ICU's being over whelmed. They accepted a higher in the community death
@julianhosp More results: https://t.co/DDTJ23tVxK https://t.co/yh0DM3uJw2
RT @tobiasboman: In Sweden a large fraction of deaths occurred in non-ICU patients. This suggests that patient prognosis was considered in…
RT @tobiasboman: In Sweden a large fraction of deaths occurred in non-ICU patients. This suggests that patient prognosis was considered in…
In Sweden a large fraction of deaths occurred in non-ICU patients. This suggests that patient prognosis was considered in ICU admission, reducing healthcare load at a cost of decreased survival in patients not admitted. #CoronaVirusSverige https://t.co/
5/G No, other Nordic countries had way less COVID-19 deaths per capita than Sweden a year later, despite his misleading comparisons to non-Nordic countries. https://t.co/1c7TrKm3DW https://t.co/zWctajg4SM https://t.co/tp2YZ4XEQC https://t.co/f4tdHs4RQO
@snorman1776 @msimonson19 Again, I'm not surprised to see someone from the RationalGround crowd distorting reality to suit their agenda. https://t.co/p1yoSxBwt1 https://t.co/muSYmmKsHR https://t.co/balLQDHaVX
@lord_juli @BryanLu32873609 @farmafilico Yo nunca dije que suecia fuera estocolmo ,y tampoco refuta lo que te he comentado del cambio de comportamiento voluntario, los estudios examinan toda suecia no solo Estocolmo https://t.co/252kMkcVLC
@lord_juli @BryanLu32873609 @farmafilico Suecia optó por medidas voluntarias, dada la confianza en el gobierno hubo una aderencia a estas enorme y gracias a eso suecia pudo lidiar con la pandemia sin imponer medidas muy estrictas https://t.co/WIDXLpU1hl
@bvdstock Blijkbaar heeft Zweden er desondanks wel voor gekozen om bepaalde patiënten niet op ICU op te nemen maar buiten de ICU te laten sterven. De Belgische publieke opinie is niet rijp om dit te aanvaarden als consequentie … https://t.co/wAxNJ2tRsE e
@cozieblanket @RobNoLastName @jimwaterson Even in studies where the output was basically "it wasn't as bad as we thought", they noted the specific anomaly between 🇸🇪& 🇬🇧 "Models most closely reproducing reported mortality data suggest that large portio
@AndrewLazarus4 @spccmvjc @Allconsidered1 @vawterhokie99 @MLevitt_NP2013 @crystaljjlee IFR in South Korea, Japan, China, etc. is on par with western countries. @Allconsidered1 + @spccmvjc are just trying to deceive you on that. https://t.co/KLhrgJFx8K The
@DanDbab @Urban_Immerser @msabouri @GidMK Re: "It’s a crazy take, and the data behind it seems to solely be that Oxford thing" He willfully ignores the role of early vs. late mitigation. https://t.co/v0FPvB1uPi https://t.co/zWctajg4SM https://t.co/olusP
RT @jlee2733: “The Swedish COVID-19 strategy has thus far yielded a striking result: mild mandates overlaid with voluntary measures can ach…
“The Swedish COVID-19 strategy has thus far yielded a striking result: mild mandates overlaid with voluntary measures can achieve results highly similar to late-onset stringent mandates.” Been saying this all along @TsicsafPelosi..
@horowitz39 Well, stupid is.... For a reasoned analysis of this social spasm refer to this https://t.co/8HjqwVtKWT In the commentary is discussion such as https://t.co/5CEoijNddq and https://t.co/ee5iV7nLTA all demonstrating this farce spasm. Which they u
Well, stupid is.... For a reasoned analysis of this social spasm refer to this https://t.co/TKyH0d27S7 In the commentary is discussion such as https://t.co/5CEoijNddq and https://t.co/jJPB1MG2iW all demonstrating this farce spasm. Which they use for contr
@FillmoreWhite @msabouri @TinFoilAwards @JHowardBrainMD He has at least 2 tricks here: 1) ignoring the benefit of doing interventions early 2) exploiting endogeneity That's been explained to him many times before. He's just trolling. https://t.co/fPTsEu3
How come this paper is not in the MEDIA or WHO guidelines ?? Porque razão este artigo não passa nos MEDIA ou é falado pela OMS?? @mgmgomes1 @TedPetrou @FatEmperor @freddiesayers #FiqueEmCasa @antoniocostapm @WHO @CDCgov https://t.co/CTYtjvFe6b
@thereal_truther @LajXtra @Reroot_Flyover NPIs obvious don't have an effect since @LajXtra's ideology demands that they don't. [/s] (https://t.co/v0FPvB1uPi https://t.co/zWctajg4SM) https://t.co/T0JQTVziuu https://t.co/jgyQGeRGu9
@LajXtra @thereal_truther @Reroot_Flyover Re: "The Google mobility data for that is past, but showed what's expected." https://t.co/jocduTfbtG [page 61: https://t.co/dKn02r8IwC] https://t.co/zWctajg4SM https://t.co/3KTiyoq5u9
@LajXtra @thereal_truther @Reroot_Flyover One of the downsides of Apple mobility data vs. Google data is that the former doesn't break things down by where people are spending time indoors. The Google mobility data for that is past, but showed what's expec
The Swedish COVID-19 strategy yielded a striking result: Mild mandates overlaid w/ voluntary measures achieve results highly similar to late-onset stringent mandates. https://t.co/k2DvZAGrA6
@cskyriakis @GidMK @TheEliKlein Yup. They've undermined it at every stage, whether it was acting early in January or February to prevent a lockdown, following recommendations to ensure only a short lockdown was needed in spring, etc. https://t.co/v0FPvA
RT @AtomsksSanakan: @jeffreyatucker Re: "Near zero stringencies, except some border checks." Stop fabricating to suit your far-right ideol…
@jeffreyatucker Whatever your government mitigation policy is (ex: lockdown, contact tracing, isolating contacts, mask mandates, border control, etc.), it needs to be done early. Too bad Jeffrey Tucker pretended otherwise, getting people killed. https://
@jeffreyatucker You see the paper where they *started early* in your graph, limiting infections. 🙄 Let me know when you decide to drop your malicious fabrication that they only did "some border checks." No sensible person is fooled by your antics. https
@douglasbulloch @PhilWMagness It's amazing to me how any informed person can still take seriously blatantly disingenuous ideologues like @PhilWMagness and @PhilWMagness of @aier. It's like listening to a right-wing think tank saying there's no link betwee
@jeffreyatucker Re: "Near zero stringencies, except some border checks." Stop fabricating to suit your far-right ideology. Even John Ioannidis isn't engaged in your type of deception. https://t.co/ZxaYSoJGbn https://t.co/4juTmJbhiA https://t.co/qLyMEkti
@FallTove @obatheatrush @HallgrenStefan @hawk_swede Du var ju med och tog fram det här eländet: 90.000 döda och 45.000 på IVA halvårsskiftet 2020. Sen dess har du propagerat för lockdown av olika grad vid varje tillfälle som getts, aldrig någonsin har jag
Managing Coronavirus Disease 2019 Spread With Voluntary Public Health Measures: Sweden as a Case Study for Pandemic Control https://t.co/rAWmoPc5kk
Thread.
So much Ouija board here
RT @AtomsksSanakan: 20/E Sources on infection-limiting strategies in southeast Asia: (act early: https://t.co/v0FPvB1uPi https://t.co/zWc…
@Geniusguy10 @IainMulady @greg_travis Re: "What Sweden did was just as effective as what the UK did" You're trolling, @Geniusguy10. https://t.co/XFfpwAMaFp https://t.co/ruxvSuAlfV https://t.co/6TiFyZx3eE
@LajXtra @AndreasPrucha Address the evidence, or buzz off. Your tone trolling + sealioning doesn't work on me.🙂 https://t.co/0QSKtxYUdz https://t.co/zWctajg4SM https://t.co/qB9Jj1dPr8
@AndreasPrucha @LajXtra Re: "Some countries had strict lockdowns, but did not implement them early in the wave, but waited too long." Again, he's been cited evidence on this multiple times. He's just pretending in bad faith. https://t.co/XFfpwAMaFp http
@AndreasPrucha @LajXtra Re: "And hospitals in Texas *were* overwhelmed. Texas failed to "flatten the curve"." Again, he knows this. He's just pretending otherwise, to suit his ideologically-preferred narrative. https://t.co/UFH1RrsVxu https://t.co/w1Yp0T
@JoshFriedlander @KawasakiKR11 @MarkChangizi Re: "What's the counter to it? That despite all the China-Japan tourism in late 2019 and early 2020, there wasn't a giant outbreak because...what? Masks?" The policies + practices are known. Look them up. http
@LajXtra @thereal_truther Strength, primacy, + temporality are met, as illustrated in the case of Sweden. Delaying interventions makes things worse, + Sweden had to make its response even more stringent in its 2nd wave. https://t.co/xBIjGtChA5 https://t.
@LDjaparidze Re: "CFR in Japan, quite low" No, their CFR is substantial, and compatible with an IFR on the higher-end of the range seen in western nations, as stated in part 9/E Re: "don't have a broad testing strategy" Stop making stuff up https://t.c
20/E Sources on infection-limiting strategies in southeast Asia: (act early: https://t.co/v0FPvB1uPi https://t.co/zWctajg4SM) https://t.co/umEFlobN6U https://t.co/Fs3Bo5Kdbt https://t.co/jhjr3CnYtn https://t.co/DdUMOf31d4 https://t.co/geeCM46AVr https
RT @AtomsksSanakan: 7/M Makary then gives the typical distortions on "natural immunity". I've already debunked this on another thread, and…
7/M Makary then gives the typical distortions on "natural immunity". I've already debunked this on another thread, and am fed up with people misrepresenting my field of expertise to suit their ideological agenda. 🙄 https://t.co/bm1xsrequ9 https://t.co/i
@Maxipsycho @MattWalls99 @ericjthut @piersmorgan P. V. Brennan + L. P. Brennan are non-experts (they work in electrical engineering) who wrote a non-peer-reviewed article that confused herd immunity, with mitigation from additional behavior changes + publi
7/J 1) No evidence given that this wasn't due to behavior changes. 2) Other nations show a drop after behavior changes. 3) Mitigation + infections can curb cases w/o reaching HIT or sharp behavior changes https://t.co/xZ5NP60WUw https://t.co/zWctajg4SM
@theblogmire Re: "Top 15 countries for deaths/million. All had stringent Lockdowns. Question for Lockdownists:" By your logic, antibiotics don't work against bacterial infections. https://t.co/fPTsEu3KSR https://t.co/QKMvrv1hMW https://t.co/YQJ9fGnWle
Managing Coronavirus Disease 2019 Spread With Voluntary Public Health Measures: Sweden as a Case Study for Pandemic Control. https://t.co/VcBzD8yhSu https://t.co/6ENef3rOcn
@TylerWearsAMask Yes, it is disturbing. We commented on this over the summer in Fig. 5 of https://t.co/IKiQT3NvdH
@TaunRey @greg_travis @law_and_peace @EauxSnap @NightWatchman21 @thereal_truther @QBabblecock @AeonCoin @seaport1961 @DrEricDing @zorinaq @DraganOrlich @CHOMES102 Re: "I don't think this answers my question." And given your track-record of fabrications on
12/A Even in a mitigated pandemic, health systems turned people away. An unmitigated pandemic would be even worse. https://t.co/iXBq5XJyVr https://t.co/0TMPr3z8aI https://t.co/g1wgMchZwg https://t.co/AopENvXZVe https://t.co/w1Yp0TNJfv https://t.co/CwQz
@EauxSnap @law_and_peace @greg_travis @NightWatchman21 @thereal_truther @QBabblecock @AeonCoin @seaport1961 @DrEricDing @zorinaq @DraganOrlich @CHOMES102 Re: "I know this is a VERY difficult concept for the simple minded: WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT MITIGATION MEAS
@tfMestre @DrEricDing @zorinaq Re: "There are any chance to do great policies and poor aderance?" That's not what happened in Sweden in the spring and early summer. Their population went beyond what was recommended. It still ended badly. https://t.co/Ul
The Swedish COVID-19 strategy has thus far yielded a striking result: mild mandates overlaid with voluntary measures can achieve results highly similar to late-onset stringent mandates. https://t.co/DVlRlggUme
56/X Sweden underwent additional behavior changes (ex: less social interaction) + public health interventions that pushed it away from the baseline non-mitigated conditions of R0. So this wasn't herd immunity (see part 14/X). https://t.co/rKrS1YVuBr ht
@gronvita @KimVesto @iiiiii_x_iiiiii Ni missade vel inte uppföljningen? Kom i Maj redan. Ingen självkritik av modellen, men konstaterar att "data suggest that large portions of the population voluntarily self-isolate". https://t.co/69StmETa8s
@Loretta_Torrago @GidMK @curryja Let's assume NPIs like lockdowns, increase mask-wearing, closing high schools, etc. don't work. Lewis would still be wrong, since mobility changes in Sweden pushed them away from baseline conditions for HIT of R0. https:/
@OscarTengmark @AgnesWold @doctorocky @vetcov19 Follow-up study showing the effect of voluntary behavioral changes in mitigating the death toll in Sweden, peer reviewed and published in one of the top infectious diseases journals. https://t.co/6C4jHoeWHC
@mak3333 Re: "Appears to me GDP reduction more correlated with deaths than policy stringency." And what limits deaths? Early lockdown. "Second, countries that went into lockdown early experienced fewer deaths in subsequent weeks." https://t.co/W2pEtGm9v
@spion @geenlid @DrEliDavid @FatEmperor @HaraldofW @MLevitt_NP2013 @LukeJohnsonRCP @JamesTodaroMD @DaFeid @zoeharcombe @UdiQimron Re: "Yes there was." Yup. They're just fabricating and trolling. https://t.co/0VhsD4TMQy https://t.co/muSYmmKsHR https://t.
@loindevant @JorisCizzle @beaudonnet Ce n'est pas l'impérial collège... D'ailleurs ces résultats ont été rapidement corrigés, car ils se sont rendu compte que les Suédois s'appliquaient eux mêmes des restrictions qui n'ont pas été imposées. https://t.co/IM
@lnn1910ann @somethingbrite @NightWatchman21 @ConanZeBavarian @zorinaq Re: "Why is there" Still no evidence for the claims you made, nor any competent response to the evidence cited to you. It's like you're a denialist with no genuine interest in evidenc
@lnn1910ann @somethingbrite @NightWatchman21 @ConanZeBavarian @zorinaq Re: "The evidence is in everyone’s face" Your ideologically motivated distortions are evident. It's reminiscent of people who misrepresented the impact of the efficacy of seat belts, s
@malmphegor @anotherwjames @OwenJones84 @ClarkeMicah Yeah mate you read anything about Swedens response and why thats a bad comparison ? https://t.co/xJlm6Oh6BA https://t.co/JpqTVWi7ZU We could even compare countries with similar demographics, climates and
@charles_forsyth @mino775 @HCashny @HaraldofW If you add into the model the effect of behavioral changes through voluntary social-distancing actions that approximate closer to the effect of more heavy-handed restrictions you can get close to the scenario t
@HCashny @MS2513479406 @beandiagram @ExoExplorer3 @zorinaq Re: "This is" Were COVID-19 patients turned away from hospitals in Sweden, which helped the hospitals from being overwhelmed? Yes or no. I predict you'll have no honest response to that question
@beandiagram @HCashny @ExoExplorer3 @MS2513479406 @zorinaq Re: "Your argument is that hospitals weren't overwhelmed because EXTRA hospitals weren't needed, despite the evidence that there were refrigerator trucks with corpses in the streets from the overwh
@HCashny @beandiagram @ExoExplorer3 @MS2513479406 @zorinaq Re: "I know drs and nurses" No, you don't. And Sweden, the country you tell politically-motivated fabrications about, prevented their hospitals from being overwhelmed by not admitting COVID-19 pa