@fitterhappierAJ Re: ""Herd immunity" by virtue of the infection only lasts six months apparently." Technically, I wouldn't call it herd immunity. The credit goes more to the steps taken by Sweden's people, which can't hold forever. Their government, on t
@DeNovo_Fatima The source for this graph: https://t.co/e75nLRVvdg
@federicolois @VanGennepD @CovidSerology @Greenmantle39 @GidMK @BillHanage Re: "Talk to the paper." You didn't refer to a paper. I doubt you even know the literature all that well. More like you just saying whatever you find convenient for your ideology o
@Real_Smarts Re: "Let’s see how this plays out." We already saw how it played out: way more people died of COVID-19. We don't need to wait longer just to suit your ideology. Re: "Sweden’s response is the correct one." Sure, if you want to let people die
12/S Further sources on this, for the curious: https://t.co/OexwzRN3Md https://t.co/tp2YZ4XEQC https://t.co/cEaXYNVPyK https://t.co/uiUyTgxGoC https://t.co/hof09pCJZS https://t.co/17Xn63HnYC https://t.co/3h9akCGILX https://t.co/v0FPvB1uPi https://t.c
@jojo_nazara @Montaigne01 @HeckofaLiberal @thereal_truther Re: "It depends on how you measure the correlation" And there's your usual attempt to manufacture false doubt without reading the literature or the published evidence. Just go do the reading: ht
@jojo_nazara @Montaigne01 @HeckofaLiberal @thereal_truther Re: "Any" And that doesn't answer the question you were asked. Stop avoiding it. Does the stringency of lockdown correlate with the proposed effect on COVID-19 deaths? https://t.co/UlJr1nxkVt ht
@jojo_nazara @Montaigne01 @HeckofaLiberal @thereal_truther Re: "Nope, nobody" Again, you're just giving me vague platitudes, not concrete, evidence-based answers to questions pertinent to causation. https://t.co/ygBIyTNF3E Do lockdowns as an explanation
@jojo_nazara @Montaigne01 @HeckofaLiberal @thereal_truther Re: "but that the grounds" That's not an answer to my question. That's just evidence-free rhetoric. So once again: Does the stringency of lockdown correlate with the proposed effect on COVID-19 d
@NRound4 @OFallsta @uklockdown @UKCovid19Stats This might help https://t.co/lwcvshpROq :)
@WeasleWords @BBCSounds @BBCNews @BBCFergusWalsh Lockdowns do work provided there's a high level of cohesion: See Sweden's model: https://t.co/lwcvshpROq
@BBCNews I don't think you understand how a lockdown works. For it to be effective everyone must obey. The Sweden lockdown is proof of this, it relies upon large scale adoption. https://t.co/lwcvshpROq
@lockdownskill @TheRealElwynD @BBCPolitics @BBCNews Also the Sweden argument is pointless since: https://t.co/M3NumjVrZX Sweden tried that and the results were that it strained its healthcare system and caused excess deaths. Scaled up to our numbers tha
@drakonisroblee @BBCNewsNI This is why: https://t.co/M3NumjVrZX However, this policy causes more healthcare demand and more deaths than early stringent control and depends on continued public will.
@DancerDad @adam_poots @compboy1972 @BBCNews https://t.co/M3NumjVrZX Sweden tried that and the results were that it strained its healthcare system and caused excess deaths. Scaled up to our numbers that'd collapse the NHS
@DancerDad @brain_of_jfk @compboy1972 @BBCNews And here's one on Sweden https://t.co/lwcvshpROq
@MMittermeier Vielleicht von Interesse: https://t.co/TNBsTWscli
@KasperKepp Also, if interested, here is a detailed analysis @kassonlab and I published on the Swedish case. https://t.co/6C4jHoeWHC 6/6
RT @AtomsksSanakan: @curryja @ewinsberg @jg_environ @theresphysics Re: ""[they had the same number of deaths as we did without all the othe…
RT @AtomsksSanakan: @curryja @ewinsberg @jg_environ @theresphysics Re: ""[they had the same number of deaths as we did without all the othe…
@curryja @ewinsberg @jg_environ @theresphysics Re: ""[they had the same number of deaths as we did without all the other hardships. isn't that good?]" I guess not, not among the lockdown alarmists." 🤦♂️ https://t.co/ne2Z99kafp https://t.co/UlJr1nxkVt
@mllichti @JayWacker @JustinWolfers Nonsense. "Everything Trump does" you say: but the US is republic of autonomous states. US Covid-19 results by state vary immensely. On Sweden, see: https://t.co/EZRYXnWTAz https://t.co/TPCTZPSxoC
@sunrainmakerain This isn't my first rodeo, @sunrainmakerain. I know the talking points people like you use. 😉 https://t.co/ILHDp14ti4
@Resjudicatamyft @imperialcollege Also see our further scholarship on the matter. Because most Swedes don't want to be culled from the herd, they have undertaken precautions well beyond FHM's recommendations. These additional precautions well account for
@kenneth1crook @afneil @AndreasShrugged @FraserNelson It's published now https://t.co/Ikm9tTCJbJ
@FraserNelson @imperialcollege They actually remade the entire analysis with proper numbers for the actual publications https://t.co/Ikm9tTCJbJ They still claimed that Sweden had a lot of extra deaths due to them not giving people access into ICU. Probabl
@curryja Real Clear Investigations posts a politically-motivated article that's deceptive and/or incompetent (ex: treating projections for an unmitigated scenario as predictions of what actually happened w/ mitigation). And u peddle it 🙄 https://t.co/Gwe
B. Estimates and cell phone data would indicate that many Swedes did engage in social distancing, working from home and reduced socializing, which would mean that Sweden has not attained herd immunity. https://t.co/ZXyFSJAle0
A. Managing Coronavirus Disease 2019 Spread with Voluntary Public Health Measures: Sweden as a Case Study for Pandemic Control https://t.co/LZlOgYyRE0
RT @Te_Taipo: Result: mild mandates overlaid with voluntary measures can achieve results highly similar to late-onset stringent mandates. H…
Result: mild mandates overlaid with voluntary measures can achieve results highly similar to late-onset stringent mandates. However, this policy causes more healthcare demand and more deaths than early stringent control and depends on continued public will
Managing Coronavirus Disease 2019 Spread With Voluntary Public Health Measures: Sweden as a Case Study for Pandemic Control https://t.co/Y9Ir6di63E
@Flagg_ould @ljiresearch @profshanecrotty @JamesTodaroMD Re: "If you’re a doctor and don’t consider the magnitude of collateral death caused by lockdown, then you should be struck off..." 🤭 https://t.co/ILHDp14ti4 https://t.co/agWLUmI0w1 https://t.co/r
@PishPishCat @jcplusjc @gummibear737 @CrazyEe33 Re: "Yes, we all know that in Sweden , 100 thousand people died of Covid. And that Ferguson's past predictions on pandemics were all spot on." ^^^ This is the type of disingenuous troll that forms a large p
RT @CedricMas: #Covid_19 selon une étude de juin 2010, la stratégie de la Suède (ne rien faire en attendant une immunité collective) a abou…
RT @CedricMas: #Covid_19 selon une étude de juin 2010, la stratégie de la Suède (ne rien faire en attendant une immunité collective) a abou…
#Covid_19 selon une étude de juin 2010, la stratégie de la Suède (ne rien faire en attendant une immunité collective) a abouti à un taux de décès & de maladies graves plus élevé que celui de pays ayant pris des mesures de confinement tôt. https://t.co/
gerar ao sistema de saúde, como foi o caso da primeira estratégia sueca. Jornais científicos se quiserem ler mais: https://t.co/MXd9OIQVt3 https://t.co/chdsfa47pg https://t.co/a2RBZ2U2vi https://t.co/9i0ZvmmL7R
Jag är en av dem.. Nu är det upp till dem där ute att fixa oss ur det här. De 70%.
@Andersson_123 @beatabooo @marteneriksson Och det här: https://t.co/EdNjFi59yT
Det finns också studier som visar att 30% i stort sett har gått i karantän. "This analysis suggests that approximately 30% of Swedish residents have self-isolated in some form." https://t.co/wf6Vtf9dnW
@ID_ethics I think this is the paper I got that information from. https://t.co/xpOAazPap4 I recall them being a bit more explicit but maybe that was in a preprint that got edited out.
@NordicSki2 @larrybrilliant @drsanjaygupta Alright Sven do a little reading and then explain Swedens success story. Talking about Kool-Aid, I maintain that there are science facts and opinion, you are allowed your opinions not your facts. Science facts do
RT @killedbyproxy: @yinonw "The Swedish COVID-19 strategy has thus far yielded a striking result: mild mandates overlaid with voluntary mea…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
@spawnofKahn @GidMK Re: "And what, “motivated reasoning”" Look up the term; it describes how you reason on Sweden, not me. https://t.co/gruy6zcnfK Re: "we run the risk of shattering our hospital capacities like an egg in a frying pan." https://t.co/QKMv
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @killedbyproxy: @yinonw "This analysis suggests that approximately 30% of Swedish residents have self-isolated in some form." https://t…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @killedbyproxy: @yinonw "This analysis suggests that approximately 30% of Swedish residents have self-isolated in some form." https://t…
@yinonw "The Swedish COVID-19 strategy has thus far yielded a striking result: mild mandates overlaid with voluntary measures can achieve results highly similar to late-onset stringent mandates." https://t.co/wf6Vtf9dnW
@yinonw "This analysis suggests that approximately 30% of Swedish residents have self-isolated in some form." https://t.co/wf6Vtf9dnW
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
RT @AndrewEwing11: According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse…
According to the Kasson model in the spring, the 30% that have self isolated in Sweden have saved many lives (10x worse wo). Not all are risk group, but this sacrifice risk group or not should be honoured. https://t.co/TCVwa3lPqm
@MackayIM Re: "what precisely is being done (no, its not herd immunity) that's preventing the flare ups being seen elsewhere?" 1) They're having a flare-up. https://t.co/Zjn25gBYHY 2) Factors such as reduced mobility helped reduce Rt. https://t.co/wX7d8Y
@AnnikaTyckerAtt @MSchtupper @MLevitt_NP2013 Sweden just has 1/3 scared/smart whatever people who have self isolated. Kasson's models suggest 50000 dead without this. I would not have others follow our lead as still too many dead and different cultures. ht
@Zigmanfreud If we acted like Swedes, it wouldn't be an issue. We don't https://t.co/3QDvvY2cYj https://t.co/FHh2ZajlUT
@Simplyt66442038 @jdevans141 @isabelrodbar HIT is determined by R0, not Rt. So it's ridiculous to act as if herd immunity must be the explanation for cases/day, deaths/day, etc. decreasing in a situation where Rt applies + in which other interventions are
@mihaylov_kiril @nytimes So what u did, @mihaylov_kiril, is like saying antibiotics don't work by only factoring in the cumulative amount of bacteria, instead of how much the antibiotic limited bacteria levels based on timing of administration https://t.c
@mihaylov_kiril @bethanymac12 @nytimes Re: "In Sweden" Having more people susceptible to dying doesn't mean more people die, if you bother to enact policies that prevent those people from dying. Let me know when Chris Hope's article passes peer review.
@JordanSchachtel @JamesTodaroMD "[...] Taiwan has made the best out of the pandemic situation whereas Sweden failed completely." https://t.co/3h9akCGILX https://t.co/WLJnKNi6Ze https://t.co/UlJr1nxkVt https://t.co/rOdCUvOQOT
@donmoyn one study found that sweden maintained ICU capacity in a similar fashion: "patient prognosis was considered in ICU admission, reducing healthcare load at a cost of decreased survival in patients not admitted" https://t.co/PBMTxCTyLn
@cabville @CHOMES102 @WesPegden @mlipsitch Re: "AtomsksSanaka’s covid work has been very poor." Show it. For example: 1) Show where the Imperial College team applied their work to Sweden. 2) Show Imperial College over-estimated IFR. I doubt u will. htt
@Aporiac1 @HP48SX @curryja Re: "Also, are you confident how things will play out long term?" The nearby 8 eighboring countries will not catch up to Sweden in COVID-19 deaths per capita. https://t.co/nhuDgm6ZQg Re: "Can you explain" "Free thinker" is oft
@thjansson @ChrisOlin @12FreeBeer Re: "You know we changed testing strategy don't you?" You know that doesn't account for the data, don't you? https://t.co/Ifmcc8QZLh
@ChrisOlin @12FreeBeer Re: "all behavioral" No, as the example of Sweden illustrates. People can change their behavior without someone intervening to make them do so. So when are u going to cease ignoring everything but mobility data? https://t.co/muSYm
RT @AtomsksSanakan: Some contrarians say Ferguson et al. (Fe) failed on Sweden. But Fe didn't model Sweden (ex: no lockdown, w/ closing uni…
Some contrarians say Ferguson et al. (Fe) failed on Sweden. But Fe didn't model Sweden (ex: no lockdown, w/ closing universities, etc.). So contrarians likely unfairly compare Fe's unmitigated scenario to Sweden's mitigated one. https://t.co/sQPx1B9D0T
@Jocko571 @DavidCGrabowski Re: "And that proves my point" Nope. It debunks you by showing that letting high levels of infection persist (as Sweden did + as u anti-lockdown ideologues defends) causes people to die in nursing facilities. Stop trolling. ht
@Jocko571 @az_reason @miltimore79 Re: "Explain this" No, you're just disingenuously moving the goalposts. Admit you were cited evidence from published studies showing lockdowns worked. (U refuse to do that, because you're a dishonest ideologue). https:/
@Jocko571 @az_reason @miltimore79 Re: "You also ignore the facts that Sweden did nothing to treat its oldest victims. Having nothing to do with locking down" You're trolling in bad faith. https://t.co/WzJ7jEySOB https://t.co/muSYmn23zp https://t.co/7A9C
@formconspiracy @mclagerbreath @MclernonDylan @az_reason @miltimore79 Re: "Still no answer?" Are you a murderer or a thief? See, it's not that hard to imitate your disingenuous abuse of a false dichotomy. Learn to be honest, especially about fields outs
@formconspiracy @mclagerbreath @MclernonDylan @az_reason @miltimore79 Re: "So you think Norway has total natural immunity" Your false dichotomy is noted. Note that I'm an immunologist, so the usual cr*p you try to mislead people with won't work on me. h
@AlexBerenson Re: "Australia, Hawaii, Spain... Sweden. Look who’s crushing the curve!" You're as disingenuous as ever, Berenson. https://t.co/muSYmn23zp https://t.co/dJgT8EbNWt
RT @AtomsksSanakan: What happens when the US uses a weak form of Sweden's method: "COVID-19 patients will be ‘sent home to die’ if deemed…
What happens when the US uses a weak form of Sweden's method: "COVID-19 patients will be ‘sent home to die’ if deemed too sick, Texas county says [...] "The numbers are staggering"" https://t.co/ypr8wJ2kgs https://t.co/rLJPNU4zPs https://t.co/vQMQR6RUu2
@theotherphilipp @FrankfurtZack @ThomasGlinik @HN_112_ @goapplefreak @Markus_Soeder Die Studie, die explizit belegt, wohin Schwedens Weg führt, ignorierst Du einfach: https://t.co/wt261u2v3k Na dann, schönen Abend!
@theotherphilipp @FrankfurtZack @ThomasGlinik @HN_112_ @goapplefreak @Markus_Soeder Du hast die Studie als Beleg angeführt. Ich habe nur auf Dein selektives Zitat hingewiesen und nach Details gefragt. Wenn Du die nicht verstehst, warum nennst Du sie dann?
@theotherphilipp @FrankfurtZack @ThomasGlinik @HN_112_ @goapplefreak @Markus_Soeder Eine neue Analyse kommt zu dem Ergebnis, dass die umstrittenen Entscheidungen Schwedens während COVID-19 zu mehr Todesfällen und einem höheren Bedarf an medizinischer Verso
@science63424214 @inden_l @mikemcmannmd @FrankDGonzo Re: "It has, esp your last point is a factor." Two of the main determining factors for COVID-19 deaths per capita in Western countries are: - when they decide to lockdown - how stringent the lockdown is
@science63424214 @mikemcmannmd @FrankDGonzo Re: "So we do have herd immunity in Sweden" No. The decrease in Rt is not a result of herd immunity, but instead due to factors such as changes in behavior, etc. https://t.co/idNzumKQ83 https://t.co/W93bNBMots
@science63424214 @mikemcmannmd @mgmgomes1 @FrankDGonzo @MLevitt_NP2013 3. https://t.co/Ifmcc8QZLh 4. Cross-reactivity doesn't explain it, even if exposure to other coronaviruses induced protective immunity (not even clear they do. https://t.co/u2pARCkrDw